If no transmission option was selected, this The Saginaw transmission adapters we manufacture will require the installation of a new output shaft. The Torque-Drive had three speed trans gear ratios Thread starterworken2much Start dateAug 24, 2006 worken2much Famous Member Aug 24, 2006 #1 I've been trying to locate a gear ratio chart for the 3.03 top loader three speed manual transmission. the old muncie was getting me about 15-17 mpg. NVG 4500 I think, made in same plant as the Muncie 4 speed back in the day. Be the first to leave a comment, Sign up for Circle Track Supply, Inc. news. It has a cast-iron case and extension housing, and a 7 bolt side covers with reverse shift lever on this side cover. Helvetica LT Std Saginaw 3 & 4 speed, GM T5, Powerglide, 200 & 350 transmissions. The correct name is a GETRAG HM 290 for 93-95 2or4 wd 1/2 ton and light duty 3/4 ton. How do I tell what transmition is in my 1970 Corvette stingray? Go to any Dirt Track Racing Parks and ask them what trans they are using and 99.9% of the time they will say they use Saginaw 3 spd's. Fields marked with an asterisk (*) are required. 0 Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by bobg1951chevy, Apr 30, 2016. Heres a good start. Saginaw 3 Speed Cluster Gear WT301-8C (6) Rear Seal, 15041 Rear Seal, 15041 Our Price: $2.99 (20) GM Speedo Housing Retaining Bracket and Bolt Kit, T5-TAB . These transmissions are externally shifted and will require shifter components. Greetings, I recently obtained a manual transmission, however I am having trouble identifying exactly what it is. See all 31 photos A 3/8-inch freeze plug is perfect for plugging the hole where the speedo gear and shaft used to go. The 67-68 Hurst aftermarket bracket used U-bolt around the tailhousing. take offs on hills require i rev the motor . HelveticaLTStd-BoldCond NEW! It is mostly Camaro/Firebird/Corvette-focused. The stock Muncie shifter was mounted by a bracket to the transmission 229942480 version in 1969 - the column shift standard transmission was no longer You have to jack it up a bit. I'm running the 3.11 behind my 235 / '57 Chevy, and LOVE the gear spacing! While this I believe a 3.70 (9")gear set isn't too hard to find and likely can find a 4.10 or similar too. just the upper part of a 67-68 Firebird crossmember (i.e. application/pdf 4263550061 Saginaw 4 Speed Parts illustration; GM MR8 Parts illustration Manual Transmission; Muncie SM420 Manual Transmission Overhaul Kit; Exchanges (if applicable)We only replace items if they are defective or damaged, or if we made the mistake. [NOTE: Not every transmission in GMs history is listed here. The Font Bureau Cell # 817-517-3829. Or just put new gears in the current chuck, that would be the least expensive way. Has no lines on the input shaft so it has 2.84-1st, 2.01-2nd, 1.35-3rd, 1.00-4th. Shiftrer arms sold separately. as described above under Corvair 3-speed transmis sions. No ratings or reviews yet. Check it out here. OpenType - PS If you are looking for information on what gear ratios your manual ransmission has Custom Made to Order,Transmissions are Non-Returnable and Non Refundable, Double Check RequirementsBefore Ordering. factory - if the boss is undrilled, then the case definitely HWYs}W$!l@v}eR%0J9$$!kK2w98 Use this TCI Speedometer Calculator to find your tooth count before ordering. Any info about the strength and HP rating or anything like that would be great. big blocks, and Z28) the Muncie 4-speed was used. Trade Gothic LT Std For example if the transmission has .74 overdrive high gear ratio x 3.70 rear axle . Adobe Systems . Version: Sunday, 19-Mar-2023 16:04:38 EDT. 2.020 (455) Different types of differentials, whats the difference? 312180356 Adobe Systems difference in the angle between the M22 gears and the gear The crossmember used by the 67-68 Firebird looks very similar to the BB Because different transmission gear ratios can greatly affect a drivetrain combination, its important for anyone performing a transmission swap to know the gear ratios of the gearboxes you might be installing in your vehicle. 1969. GM Saginaw 3 Speed 1/R & 2/3 Gear & 4 Speed 3/4 Gear Shift Fork 385899 WT301-23 (#112118966499) See all feedback. It is a reliable, smooth transmission and capable of very respectable The Powerglide in "built" form was the preferred drag-race off-center. the Muncie and the Muncie small block rods were different than the big block rods. The 69 Firebird used a one-piece crossmember. Saginaw 3 speed rebuild ! OpenType - PS Several types of goods are exempt from being returned. The original rear gear set in a 57 235 three speed car would have been 355. United Italic Cond Aluminum Free shipping . ??? The HD three-speed standard transmission was RPO M13 in 1967-68 Subsequent research has revealed that the Saginaw box is not known for strength. $317.52. Borgeson 920010 Steering Box, Manual, OEM Saginaw 525 Series, 3/4-30 Spline, NEW. Raised bottom for ground clearance. Dearborn 3speed is the nomenclature.Ford 3.03, If you mean the 4-spd overdrive, I believe the ratios were 3.29, 1.67, 1, .81 with the older cast iron box. And it was only available in Feel free to call us at 704-871-0721 if you have any questions about shipping. which required the HD 3-speed to get a floor shift. So how do you tell if its an M20 or M21? We hope you enjoy shopping at Circle Track Supply, Inc. 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General Motors used the in-house Regular Production Option (RPO) code "M15" to identify the three-speed and "M20" for the four-speed. adobe:docid:indd:8cb252af-65b8-11e0-ab52-c56984a1fdef converted Check if this part fits your vehicle. . angle used in the other Muncies is discernable. three-speed, available only in floor-shift, was a separate option. The newer aluminum cased one was similar; 3.25, ?, 1, .78, Saginaw was widely used in Pontiac and Chevy small and mid sized cars including Tempest and Camaro (among others) you totally dropped the ball on Saginaws, heres the whole story. It featured gear ratios of 2.48, 1.48, and 1.00:1. I didnt see the Muncie wide box four speed as was installed in the 1965 Chevelle 350 hp. Adobe InDesign CC 2017 (Macintosh) The four-speed matched with the straight-sixes were 3.11:1, 2.20:1, 1.47-to-1 and 1.00:1. The vehicles were initially assigned as Chevrolet company cars, for use at both at The 1 groove 3-speed was the standard car tranny in the 70s. Double-check your gear ratios. TRANSMISSION 6-SPEED AUTOMATIC ELECTRONICALLY CONTROLLED with overdrive and tow/haul mode (STD) . 1427837077 Wagner attended California State University, Los Angeles, and has a degree in journalism. Features. Borgeson Car and Truck . case, "Toploader" design, 31-tooth 2nd gear, 1964-1973 car, Cast iron 0 The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. %PDF-1.4 % Saginaw three-speed transmissions featured gear ratios of 2.85:1 for first, 1.68:1 for second and 1.00:1 for third when matched with L6 in-line six-cylinder engines. Three grooves on the input shaft. missed shift. However, The Saginaw transmission adapters we manufacture will require the installation of a new output shaft. The base manual transmission for non-high-performance models and 67-8 SS350's SAGINAW TRANSMISSION REVERSE IDLER GEAR FITS 3 & 4-SPEED '66-'87 (AWT302-10A) TRANSTAR Compare SAGINAW TRANSMISSION SHIFT FORK FITS 2-3 & 1-REV 3-SPEED, & 3-4 4-SPEED '66-'87 (WT301-23) TPD PRO-LINE Compare SAGINAW TRANSMISSION SMALL PARTS KIT FITS 3 & 4-SPEED '66-'87 (SP301-50) TPD PRO-LINE $47.77 $56.95 Add to Cart Compare Sale shafts that you might need. Pretty easy to spot - TWO grooves on the input shaft, counterbalance bars bolted to the tailshaft housing. http://www.roadkillcustoms.com/hot-rods-rat-rods/garage-shop-reference-Transmission-Ratios.asp#ixzz4wwRJejBN. the assembly plants and at the division level. Had some troubles and changed to a saginaw 3 speed without any overdrive. Maybe a little more if you pay someone to do the gear swap right. The aftermarket Hurst bracket bolted to the tailhousing, loosen the aluminum collar and U joint. AgencyFB-Regular The close-ratio M21 was available only with the Truck ratios were 2.99 or 2.97:1 for first, depending on . or "T" transmission. It debuted in 1963 Chevrolet full-size cars and Corvettes, and was originally available with two first-gear ratios: 2.20 to 1 and 2.56 to 1. You can identify the transmission you have by the groves are typically cut across the input shaft clutch splines. Hope this helps! xmp.id:69f80f3f-c697-4c96-b645-9f21767701f4 . boss could be drilled for a plug on a M20 after it left the 2006 - 2023 Circle Track Supply, Inc.. All rights reserved. AgencyFB Here are some common transmisions with gear charts. It is the successor to the old New Process gear company. If 30 days have gone by since your purchase, unfortunately, we cant offer you a refund or exchange. ). 0 The Hurst shifter Borgeson 920041 Manual Steering Box Saginaw 525 series 16:1 ratio. Some exceptions include the 1970 with either the SS396 or SS454, the 1971 and 1972 SS with the 454 engine where the H.D. bolted to the tailhousing. We accept returns for up to 30 days from the purchase date. Parts are getting very hard to find, and expensive, for not only these transmissions, but also for the OD units. Finally caught a break NP440 / MY 6 - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network. Although not used in any Chevrolets as original equipment, the T-85 will replace the weaker Saginaw three-speed with minimal installation problems. Typical OD cars had 4.11's in the mid 50's as I remember them especially 6cylinders and V8's had 3.70's. Hightower 3-Speed Transmission. to? and different gear ratios from the Saginaw 4-speed. The Saginaw transmission, on the other hand, has only two gear ratios: a wide-ratio and a close-ratio. case, PTO cover on both sides, Address: 1325 Glendale Avenue, Sparks, Nevada, 89431, USA, Manual Transmission Ratio & Size Information, Axle Shafts CJ Single Piece Conversion Kit, Front Axle Shaft Heavy Duty Jeep and Pickup Trucks, Bearing Overhaul Kits Rear End Differential -, Differential Rear End Bearing Overhaul Kits, Differential - Rear End Bearing Overhaul Kits (3), Differential - Rear End Bearing Overhaul Kits (4), Custom 12 Bolt Up-Grade GM Car Differentials, Ford 9 3/4 inch Differential Upgrade Replacements for 8.8 inch, Rear End Differential Custom and Production. An "R" identified the Saginaw four-speed transmission built from 1964 to 1979. TradeGothicLTStd Move the whole lot backwords. 0 Muncie and Saginaw, with other Muncie data, are as follows: The transmission code is normally located on the passenger side of the transmission, 4-speed was utilized. Look at. 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Auto Trans Oil Pump Drive Gear (1) Auto Trans Planetary Gear (1) Auto Trans Shifter Cable (1) Automatic Bump Start (1) . 2-3 days lead time. Does anyone know about the Super T-10 V-code above and where I can get more info on these gears? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The Camaro TH400 crossmember has the mounting Terms of Service. . To locate our full line of remanufactured Enter your tire size (the diameter may vary slightly depending on the manufacture if in doubt use manufactures posted diameter) The tire diameter is less with a load (effective tire diameter = diameter x 0.94) default Competition-Plus shifter. Mercedes Driveline and Driveshafts Replacements, Driveline and Driveshafts Replacements Toyota, Rebuilt Manual Transmission Professional Built, International Scout Rebuilt Manual Transmission, Six Speed Transmission Conversion Kit Dodge Cummins Diesel, NV5600 Transmission Conversion Kit 1 Dodge Diesel Truck, NV5600 Transmission Conversion Kit 2 Dodge Diesel Truck, NV5600 Transmission Conversion Kit 3 Dodge Diesel Truck, Performance Manual Transmissions, TKO500, TKO600, T5 & T56. Adobe Systems I also don't know if the gears are good for autocross. Wow what a statement "Saginaws suck". 544361140 Stock Ratios, Includes New Bearings, Synchro Blocking Rings, seals, snap rings, and gaskets. Muncies when the transmission is on a car, note that all The gear ratios from a SM-326 transmission from a 350V8 are listed as; 1st=2.85, 2nd=1.68, 3rd of course is 1.00. Production engines and transmissions were generally not used as service parts. transmission details, see Colvin's Chevrolet By The Numbers Adobe InDesign CC 2017 (Macintosh) twisting under load and binding the shifter levers - causing many a Example: BL 1122 G2 For a 68 or 69 model, this is interpreted as a 3.07:1 axle ratio, non-posi, 12-bolt rear axle assembled on November 22, 67 or 68 by the Detroit Gear & Axle plant, second shift. Muncie type. Using the application tables below just locate your vehicle model, model year, number of cylinders and engine . What Ford Manual Transmission is in my vehicle? 229942480 Vehicle Information. A forum community dedicated to hot rod owners and enthusiasts. Numbers must be entered as decimals, example 71 1/4" would be entered as 71.25. The reverse ratio was 3.15:1. 3774165282 It's easy to get the correct parts the first time from drivetrain.com. I ran a M-21 in my Big block Chevelle with 3:55 gears. NEVER seen a spec showing the Ford T&C in a mid size GM vehicle. Transmission Gear Ratio Chart ~ Gear Ratios are listed for many popular transmissions. Minion Pro The Muncie shifter in 1967 was generally stamped "MUNCIE" on the handle, though 1 groove saginaw 1st gear is 2.54 x 3.08 rear gear ratio = 7.82 Please do not send your purchase back to the manufacturer. It used a cast iron case. 0 To determine the factory gear ratios for transmissions, count the number of groove lines on the input shaft. Depending on the time/day ordered and the product type. 312180356 It was only available as a floor shift and was available on New OEM AC Delco gears are used in Muncie, GM T10, GM Super T10, Saginaw 3 & 4 speed, GM T5, Powerglide, 200 & 350 transmissions. 3.70. When the TH350 was released in 1969, it outsold the Powerglide 78,849 units drilled and tapped for a magnetic drain plug. Why not just get TALLER tires? Weve assembled a variety of manual gear ratio charts for General Motors vehicles that we hope can help you avoid choosing the wrong transmission only to discover your hot rod or truck is performing like a 19th-century horse-drawn chuckwagon, minus the delicous beans and salt pork. the HD 3-speed trans was included in the SS package. Saginaw 3 Speed Overhaul Kit Saginaw 3 and 4 Speed Rebuild Bearing Kits From $68.00 Saginaw 3 Spd Racing Gearset Combo, 1.5 Ratio 2nd Saginaw 3 Speed Racing Gearset Input/Cluster Combo, 1.5 Ratio 2nd $275.00 Saginaw 3 Spd 1/R, 2-3 Synchro Slider Saginaw 3 & 4 speed Synchro slider $58.89 Key & spring Kit, Saginaw Saginaw Key/Spring Kit Saginaw 3-speed 1st 2nd 3rd No Lines (grooves) 2.85 1.68 1.00 1 Line (groove ) 2.54 1.50 1.00 2 Lines (grooves) 3.11 1.84 1.00 3 Lines (grooves) 3.50 1.89 1.00 As far as I know the saginaw, BW, and muncie should all have 4 bolt mounting flanges. Hopefully some of you transmission guru's can help. Note in the . rubber insert bushings. Id suggest gearing the car so your drive train gearing falls in a range where the transmissions FIRST GEAR x REAR GEAR ratio fall close to being in the 10:1-to-11:1 range and if your engines spinning at 6000rpm in top o.d. The product you selected is currently unavailable. Small-block and big-block cars each used unique shifter mounting plates 3500 T 65 mph or so. Most final drives in the mid 50's was near 3.20-3.30 range and remember the speed limit was 55. ATFA Charter Member #23 Inliners International #728 A andypayne The cars were built with several different engine models and over a range of build Don't worry - the R-10 is still plenty strong for most applications. With today's power everyone wants to see less than 2000 rpm at 70 mph. Finding a Saginaw 3 speed with OD is the hard one, due to the fact they are used to make a Saginaw 4 speed with OD; the Saginaw 3 and 4 speeds share the SAME case and main-shaft, that's the reason the upgrade is possible, but even it involves some minor modifications.There are plans on the internet for making a Saginaw 4 speed with OD. either that or you need your tach recalibrated. 0 but was the same for both small-block and big-block. Have not had enough of them to determine applications or years. If the return is not based on a mistake on our part, a 15% restocking fee will apply. The folks over at HotRod have a great how-to on identifying your Muncie M20/M21/M22 gearbox. decoding information for pictures and more information. if another transmission was not ordered. Our policy lasts 30 days. What gear ratio do I have in my GM or Chevrolet, Ring and Pinion Installation Instructions, Spanish Ring & Pinion Installation Instructions, Ring Gear and Pinion American Axle 7.25 inch Front, Import Vehicles Rebuilt Transfer Case Replacements. i am running 4.56 rear gears with 15" tires. Great for any type of race car that require a stock transmission. Products typically ship out between the same day and 1-3 days. 0 ShippingTo return your product, you should mail your product to: CircleTrackSupply.com304 5th Creek Road, Statesville, NC, 28625, United States. case, "Toploader" design, 28-tooth 2nd gear, 1964-1973 car, Cast iron TradeGothicLTStd-Light Like what I posted above the "stamping numbers & letters he posted/showed were M3E07A broken down for what each letter & number is, M= Muncie, 3= 1973, E= May, 07 is 7th day of month, a= shift or A shift. etc. 0 Without OD's 8's had 3.31's and 6's had 3.55's. heavy-duty close-ratio 4-speed was RPO M22. block V8 cars (Z28 excepted), as the Camaro big-block engines had too much torque the bottom part with the opening). plate welded about 1/2 inch Adobe PDF Library 15.0 1966-69 units may have electric overdrive. More Return Info below. Just swapped a broken TH350 for a saginaw 4 speed. Some products are made to order to spec and will ship once built. Second speed gear has 26 teeth in place of the former 28. The four-speed matched with the straight-sixes were 3.11:1, 2.20:1, 1.47-to-1 and 1.00:1. The transmission model number comes from the nominal torque rating, are also in a different location than the SB version. dated 19 Sept, 1968: C-Chevrolet L-Oldsmobile You can look at the rear axle codes 1967-69 Camaro Drivetrain Decoding to see if the rear end is original and what ratio it had. 0 2nd, and 3rd gears and the sound is the reason for the popular only available with 6-cylinder engines. 1199565182 translated at the factory into a low-performance Saginaw when teamed with the L6 But I use the ZF Black tag early helical gears ( not straight cut of later design) 6spd @ 65mph tachs 1521 rpms Vehicle is a 1934 Ford pickup weight 3800# It also runs the real good on the non ethanol gas, How about the T&C HD 3-speed yes, a Ford box, which was the base transmission in pretty much every GM musclecar? offset about 1/2 inch towards the passenger side and about 3/4 inch forward. 2016-11-14T15:32:48-08:00 Come join the discussion about restoration, builds, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! gear places the car speed no higher than 135 mph, the closer you can get the gearing to fall in that gearing range the more Were sorry if you love a particular transmission not shown on this list. In order to install the 4 speed, they had to make the hole in the bell housing larger with a torch. B-bodied, C-bodied, E-bodied, 1967-1979 A-bodied, early 1966 Hemis, The original 3 speed was long gone when I got the truck. It used an aluminum case Be the first to ask the question! The R-11 transmissions have four gears inside of the planetary sun gear, while the standard R-10 has only three. Like the Powerglide, it was only available with 6-cylinder and small Shift ratios were either 2.53 or 2.49:1 for first gear, 1.59:1 for second gear, and 1.00:1 for third gear. Driving 70 now means buzzing it a little. dates. JavaScript is disabled. There is also a HD Borg Warner 3 speed that was used in the later 60's, but they are very RARE. For 1967-68 SS models, the heavy-duty 3-speed manual transmission, made by Borg-Warner, Lets use my camaro as an example to determine effective final drive ratio for first gear. . is the gearing in that saginaw that much different? Can be used with stock clutch or mini-clutch. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for NEW SAGINAW 3 & 4 SPEED INPUT GEAR 19 TOOTH 2.54 1ST GEAR RATIO 1 RINGER at the best online prices at eBay! The reason for absence of Brinn Transmissions Original Two Speed Transmission Rebuild Kit. Saginaw, 3-speed; came out first in 66 and used in just about every GM product at one time or another. It is a rare application, though. does that sound right? For higher performance applications (LM1 350, SS350, nickname for this transmission, the "Rockcrusher." All three engines have been 4263550061 Regardless of the transmission model, the governor, relay, kickdown switch, solenoid, and wiring are all the same. The S series V 6 used the NV 3500. For additional details on other transmission component A = 2.52:1 Wide Ratio (M20) I think Ive ever only seen one truck that was equipped as such. As far as the GM cars/trucks go, up until 66, they were a 4 bolt side cover, Muncie 318 transmission with a BW R-10 OD unit, and referred to as a 319 trans, after 66 they were Saginaw's with the R-10 OD; The Saginaw's were fully synchronized transmissions, and stronger. Trade Gothic LT Std I don't see a problem with 3.50's you have useless you feel your feathering the clutch too much or it's killing the engine when take off. CHART SAGINAW, G.M. adobe:docid:indd:8cb252af-65b8-11e0-ab52-c56984a1fdef The cars were built at both LOS and NOR assembly plants, but most were built UnitedItalicCond-Black case, 1985-1988 Mustang ratios, Aluminum 0 It has a squared-off opening with a beveled corner like case, PTO cover on driver's side, Cast iron $328.99 Shop Now. 643072603 The Camaro BB TH400 crossmember is different from the other crossmembers in that Gear Ratios and Gears The new gear ratios are: 3.20:1 first, 2.18:1 second, 1.44:1 third, 1.00:1 fourth and 3.65:1 reverse. By clicking All Cookies you agree to our Cookie Policy, it helps us better understand how the site is used and give you the best experience. 327 cars. Your email address will not be published. transmission for quite a few years, and is still popular for drag racing. Made up to Order. A Saginaw with NO lines on the input shaft has a 2.85 first gear, 1.68 second, third is direct; 1 line is 2.43, second 1.50, and third direct; 2 lines is 3.11, second 1.84, and third direct, and lastly, 3 lines 3.50 first, 1.89 second, and third direct. proof:pdf 0 a manual shift valve body and was approximately $100 cheaper than the Powerglide. . We make an adapter to mate this transmission to a Jeep Dana 18 or 20 transfer case, # OF SHAFT GROOVES 1st Gear2nd Gear3rd Gear, 02.851.681.0, 12.541.501.0, 23.111.841.0, 33.501.891.0, # OF SHAFT GROOVES 1st Gear2nd Gear3rd Gear4th Gear, 02.842.011.351.0, 12.541.801.441.0, 23.112.201.471.0, 33.502.471.651.0, Dates Produced.1966 - 1985, Over All Length.16.125, Input Shaft Spline.1-1/8 10 spline, Pilot Diameter..590, Transmission Weight.90LBS. for the L6 engines, and only in 68-69. was the 3-speed, column-shift, Saginaw. 2.020 The test fleet included full-size Chevrolets, Chevelles, Novas, and Camaros. I run a BB 454/425 with Ford 9 rear at 3:89. The last five digits Part # 301OHKIT 1st gear all the way up to about 4.03 or such. 1.101 The Saginaw transmission required different shift rods than into the TH400 for big-block engines. The manual 3-speed transmission was standard fare for most of the Chevelle lineup from 1964 thru 1972. We promise it wasnt intended as any sort of slight to the excluded GM-made transmissions.]. To distinguish an early (pre-suffix) M22 from the other 2016-11-14T15:32:48-08:00 OpenType - PS In 68-69, there was a low cost version of the Powerglide, RPO MB1, that was marketed as I bought the car with this setup and didn't know what I was getting into. Standard ratio was 2.73:1 for 327/PG and 3.08 with RS package. See also What type of oil is used for the hydrolics on a grasshopper 0 turn mower Channel revival! endstream endobj 3 0 obj <> endobj 5 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/XObject<>>>/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 1206.0 783.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 6 0 obj <>stream 17-22T .810 diameter gears must be used with a 1.84 OD speedo drive gear, 17 tooth purple dimension -1.75 x .305 x .810, 18 tooth brown dimension -1.75 x .305 x .810, 19 tooth white dimension -1.75 x .305 x .810, 20 tooth blue dimension -1.75 x .305 x .810, 21 tooth red dimension -1.75 x .305 x .810, 22 tooth grey dimension -1.75 x .305 x .810, 22 tooth green dimension -1.75 x .305 x .870, 23 tooth black dimension -1.75 x .305 x .870, 24 tooth yellow dimension -1.75 x .305 x .870. Applications ( LM1 350, SS350, nickname for this transmission, the 1971 and 1972 SS with Truck! A Saginaw 4 speed bolt side covers with reverse shift lever on this side cover links our... 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